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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:38 am    Post subject: Succes before now waiting Reply with quote

Hi. I have used a battery run device in a past and i could use it for two weeks then after one or two days of heavy sweating my hands would become bone dry for about one week. I used 24 minutes of treatment increasing amps starting from 10ma on first day and ending 27 on last day. Now i am using Hidrex as i thought machine will be more powerfull and better but after almost 15 days of use i still sweat. Sometimes i can not go more volt becouse of safety mode. My hands sweat more then ever, usually it was a sign that dryness is comming soon but its been a long few days already. Is there anything i do wrong? As i expected Hidrex psp 1000 to be more efficient then battery run device. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My settings are p 90 always as high as possible with a voltage but machine never goes high enough i mean usually 36 volts its max. When you change to mA its not much about 21mA.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please answer the following questions:
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/no-limited-success-after-3-weeks-as-stated-in-the-manual-t81.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HIDREX PSP1000
Hands only
P90
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For every treated area we need to know:

- Initial Treatment was done every day?
Yes
- You feel the current as a slight tingling sensation?
Yes
- For how many days (overall treatment days)?
16
- Were there breaks during the Initial Treatment (in days)?
Two days
- How long is the treatment time (in minutes for each session)?
24
- How high is the current for each treated area (please clarify if current is shown in mA or Voltage)?
Arround 31 volts
- In %, how much better is the sweating than before starting the therapy?
40% better iside hand but sweat even more on back

Only when using the Hidrex PSP1000
- How high is the Pulse Width set for each treated area?
P90
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Have you removed the plastic foil (if there is any) that protects the electrodes from scratches (some models come with this) ?
No plastic foil
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Does the therapy hurt in parts of the treated areas?
If YES:
Doesnt hurt
If NO: Do you think you could increase the current without feeling pain or skin irritations? Why not increase the current?
I always set for 60v but doesnt reach more then 33V
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Only for hand and/or feet treatment:
- Do treat hands and feet simultaneously?
Hands only
- Where do you sweat exactly (soles/sides/top ...)?
Whole hand
- How high is the water in the trays?
About 300ml each tray
- Do you regularly use creme on your hands or feet? If yes, what kind of creme?
Current care
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- Do you use supplements in the water like soda or salt?
No
- Did you install a water softener, or any kind of water filter or water treatment (ionic/osmosis, etc.) in your house?
I use badoit water
- Do you take any nutrition supplements like vitamins?
Iron
- Skin care: If you take cream, wich one do you use?
Current care
- Do you take any oral medication (any kind, like Vagatin, Aspirin, etc.)
No
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- Have you tried Iontophoresis before?
- If yes:
- Where (clinic, at home)?
Home
- Did you have success?
Yes
- If yes:
- What kind of device was it?
Electroantiperspirant battery run device
- How long did you treat with it? (how long was the initial phase, we also need the maintanance frequency, time and strenght)
They sent me a plan which a paste under this post.
- Have you moved since then, or have you moved since you started the therapy with the actual device?
No
- Did something change regarding the quality of your water?
No
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Have you had serious injuries, or operations?
No
Do you eat loads of fresh fruit?
Once a day
Do you eat nowmal, or would you call it unhealthy?
Very healthy
Please have a look at plan i had succes with below


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used the device at 10 mA for 10 minutes for each polarity, if everything is alright (according to feeling) increase the strength of the therapy the next day to 12 mA for 12 minutes for each polarity. By the third time, increase the duration of therapy to 14 minutes for each polarity at the power level of 12 mA. Then take a 1 day pause, and use the device the next day for 15 minutes at 14 mA, continue the next day with a value of 16 mA for 15 minutes and afterwards 18 mA for 15 minutes. Then take a one day pause again. For the last triad of days, use these power levels of 20 mA for 15 minutes, the next day 20 mA for 15 minutes and the last day of 20 mA for 15 minutes. Then wait 2 days, during which the effects of the previous therapies are still active
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So i followed this plan and i was still sweating when finished it so on the end after two days i did two top up treatments using 27mA and then sweating just stopped and i was bone dry for more then week but when i felt sweat slowly comes back i went to treat again but then lost effect.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bone dry ... at 27 ..you wrote mA .. is it mA or volt? Lets talk about Volts pls as it is the way we can estimate better with hidrex

As you were dry have you stopped treating fog one whole week?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it was 27mA as i used battery run device and it only showes mA. Yhen yes i stopped as i was advised to start treatment as soon as sweat comes back.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK lets sort this out:

There is no battery driven machine in the world that delivers 27mA at a high body resistant (that seems to be in your case very high - through this the hidrex cant reach more than 36 Volts)
Read: Current drain and limitations for battery driven iontophoresis machines
So i assume that the values stated are phantasy..

Yes also the hidrex is surly much more potent than the battery one

Why have you lost success? This is surly youve done it like your battery operated iontophoresis device manufactorer states in the manual how to do it right: It is complete non-sense. Or do you drive with your car full speed till the fuel (sweat) is completly empty, and then you walk to the next station to fill up again, then going full speed to the next empty tank - If you do it like this all the time for years, do you think thisis healthy for the motor?

For this pls read this:
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/introduction-to-iontophoresis-maintenance-treatment-t25.html

Here is somthing to fill out in your case:
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/iontophoresis-i-lost-my-success-and-sweating-starts-again-t1366.html

although i will also send you a pm with further hints...

Also important: How you can get more power out of the Hidrex machines
The basis:
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/device-voltage-does-not-reach-the-desired-setting-t316.html
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/hidrex-psp1000-specific-questions-v-ma-body-resistance-t1820.html
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thanks i will follow Your advice as from my experience in past its a matter of time and patience and i hope i will get succes with Hidrex Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so i went to use p100 mode and i was able to treat using 55V. I did few 24 minute long treatments and my skin was sweat free for one day but next day sweat came back. At the moment the only dry area its near my thumb rest of hand is sweaty. Maybe i am experiencing overtherapy as condition of my skin is not very good at the moment.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe P 100 is just to much, this explains why the condition the skin is not so good. How is the feeling during the treatment?
How does it work if you use P 90 ?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P90 looked like it didnt work for me with p100 i dont feel pain but i am able to reach high voltage. I did have a succes with direct current before as well but as i mentioned before it was a battery run device. Thats what makes me wonder why i can not reach succes with Hidrex if its stronger and better machine. Ill keep trying.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens now is that skin is dry for some time then it becomes extremely sweaty then sometimes its just clammy it changes often during a day. its very strange. In past i would experience a lot of sweating for few days and that was a sign that dryness was comming soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you are on the way to success now

If you can stand 55 volt there is no need to switch the pulse down
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes maybe i am. I know how tricky this could be hah. I hope one day i will write you a nice succes post hah. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok guys it's an update from me. I kept daily treatments for I don't even remember how long. My skin was in a very bad condition and treatment became so painfull that I had to stop. And what happened was a miracle. After few days of no treatment my hands became dry. Looks like there is a brake needed as well! Because of my skin Its almost two weeks since my last treatment. I think my skin got better and I am ready to treat again and my hands slowly start to sweat again. Any idea how should I treat now? I didn't do every second day as you recommend because of my skin condition.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

strange, but good the skin is dry now.. here how to do maintenance:
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/introduction-to-iontophoresis-maintenance-treatment-t25.html

but keep in mind it always takes its time to work, and also that the sweat free effect disappears, so maybe you were in a slight overtherapy before, and now you are sliding in undertherapy (cause it starts to sweat again)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I had few days brake and sweat came back I'm trying again now. Is it normal that I start treatment and current goes up to 55V but after a while it goes down to 40V?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems you have a high body resistance, theres a routine: https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/device-voltage-does-not-reach-the-desired-setting-t316.html
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I think this safety feature is a big disadvantage of hidrex as it doesn't allow you to treat as high as you want. I'm sure it affects therapy in a bad way.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you haven't get into this right
The safety feature we are talking about is the cutoff @ 60 volts OR 30 mA
This is what ALL powerful Iontophoresis devices must do - but you can't see it cause they can and will only show you either volts or ma - snd in some cases phantasy levels.

You are simply not allowed to exceed this borders, else they would get no medical approval cause of worldwide restricted value levels that really make sense for Iontophoresis.

When such a device states e.g. 30 mA and your body resistance is 4 kohm then you would have (ohms law) on the other side 120 Volts

U=rI
U= 4000 Ohm 30 mA
U= 120 Volt

So if you wanted to get out 30 [email protected] a body resistance of 4 Kiloohms you have a power output (I) of 120 mA - this you see would stop your heart going on - nothing you want to have.

This means that up to yet all other devices in YOUR special case ( wich is more than often) show you (not completely phantasy) what they WOULD deliver IF your body resistance WOULD be 2 Kiloohms or lower.

To read more, heres more of this background theory: https://www.iontodevice.com/comparing_iontophoresis_units.htm

So what Hidrex does if you go deeper: they show you that your body resistance is higher than 2 kOhms

If it would be exact 2 kohms or lower it could reach 60 mA or 30 Volts without a problem.
So the disadvantage you feel uncomfortable is truly the advantage of the very useful hint "your body resistance exceeds 2kOhms" - something other devices can't tell you. This is also a reason of no success or long treatment times.

And as you see, we got a routine how to bring the body's resistance down.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, why some people get success at 15v other don't at 40v? I thought human skin is a human skin so everyone should succeed. I also wonder why when used battery run device I could get dry in two weeks, now trying with hidrex for longer and still can't succeed.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is described here:
https://www.iontodevice.com/about_iontophoresis.htm

It is highly individual and also this individuality can change some days.

I think the same is in your special case.

If you double check against the old battery device you will find out that it will not work anymore.

Wasn't it the fact that it didn't worked anymore for you also?
This points to the treshold - and/or thedosage level has changed.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got hidrex because I thought it will work faster and will be stronger but when I treat the voltage goes down with a treatment time. Battery run device goes opposite its Increasing current.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may double check with the old system, i would recommend to follow the guidelines for the body resistance to enable the max power to develop
It cant be the bat device has more power, this is not possible with batteries. Hidrex is one of the most powerful device in the world - or ghe device is faulty. So you feel the current?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I can feel current. I will follow your advice and let know. It is strange that I would need that high current. So what happens when someone needs more then 60v to be dry? Is the treatment going to fail then?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can feel the current then everything is as it should

In this case yes.
But this is really not common - if you are so high with the voltage, it is normally only a question of the dose ( treatment time and frequency)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have tried very warm water with bicarbonate soda and voltage was lower than ever it reached only 33v it's strange.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is really strange.. pls send me a picture of the electrodes via mail
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so even that I could only reach about 40V dc I noticed today morning my hands would sweat less but later they started to sweat again and now after another treatment I can feel they sweat less... Is it normal? I thought sweat should stop straight away... It feels like it's trying to break through sweat but it's not strong enough. I also increase time to 30 minutes per treatment.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you are straight at the dosage border that Iontophoresis can help, so this may be the reason of switching on and off.
Iontophoresis success can be:
Gradually
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By and by

How many Volts can you reach @ 90%

There must be a reason for reaching only 40 Volts, i wait fior the pics

You get 3 things you can change for the dosis
- Current strenght ( at the moment limited to 40 Volts)
- treatment frequency ( daily , 2 times a day / week / month)
- Lenght of treatment ( 15 min - 60 min)

So if you feel 15 minutes is not enough for sweat free success, why not increasing it according to: https://www.iontodevice.com/about_iontophoresis.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goh the pics, look phantastic
They cant be the problem...

Then pls go ahead with this:
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/device-doesnt-start-stays-at-0-ma-reaches-not-25-ma-max-t29.html
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for reply Ill just add I could reach 55v few days ago. I will follow advice and will treat longer.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I increased treatment time to 45 minutes 40V as that's max I could get out machine. I noticed now since two days my hands sweat like never before.... It's really bad like a tap haha but at least something is happening I hope it's a good sign 😀
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Normally it is
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I was expecting to stop sweating today but unfortunately I had another treatment and my hand still sweat more then ever I am fed up with it do you recommend I should keep up with treatments or stop it?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I will be trying to sell back my device if there is anyone who would like to buy it of me let us know please. As I don't think I apply for money back no more.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure we take it back... you were on the prio support and have been in contact with us all the time, so we prolong the money back since you give up

Sad it had not worked for you
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