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hello !
i made a homemade ionto phoresis device using 3 6V batteries and used it on my hand and feet(hands at 18V and feet at 12V} and had great success after 7 days of daily treatment (10min per polarity) and then once every 2 days and eventually once every week used that for about 3months (september until nov) i bought an idromed and used it from december until feb and i used it about once every 8-10 days and my hands were bone dry. they started sweating again in mid feb and i was advised to clean the plates as they became chalky. i did but they were not cleaner (used vinegar) i went back to using my homemade one and this worked for about 3weeks so i tried theachine again the sweating is not back fully but my hands are red and start sweating if i stop treatment after two days. i ordered stainless steel plates so im waiting for those. i do treatments of about 10-12 mA for my hands for 10-15 mins per polarity . what can i do to have the treatment work again? my water is also hard water my city analyzes it and i have checked it is hard water. |
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| i ordered the stainless steel plates from you guys last thursday but still havent recieved them, but do you think it could be that the aluminum plates stopped working? i didnt really clean them much and vinegar didnt really help when i tried cleaning them |
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Normally, the less the water, the better. Just take a look at the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwnykZh2_KQ
The stainless steel electrodes left our house last week, but due to the Easter Holidays, delivery will probably take a little bit longer. Have you tried to clean the electordes leaving them over night in vinegar with some water?
Also, could you please answer the following questions:
Does the therapy hurt in parts of the treated areas?
If YES: are the distance grids / towels on the electrodes?
- Where does it hurt exactly? Please describe the feeling!
-Do you have blisters, injuries or cracks on the skin (please describe where, how many)?
- What do you use to cover them?
- If you cover them, does it hurt anyway?
If NO: Do you think you could increase the current without feeling pain or skin irritations? Why not increase the current?
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Only for hand and feet treatment:
- Do treat hands and feet simultaneously?
- Where do you sweat exactly (soles/sides/top ...)?
- Do you regularly use creme on your hands or feet? If yes, what kind of creme?
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- Do you use supplements in the water like soda or salt?
- Did you install a water softener, or any kind of water filter or water treatment (ionic/osmosis, etc.) in your house?
- Do you take any nutrition supplements like vitamins?
- Skin care: If you take cream, wich one do you use?
- Do you take any oral medication (any kind, like Vagatin, Aspirin, etc.)
Thank you!
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okay ill try with a little less water.
the therapy burns my wrists and skin along the water line. usually its bareable and when im done i apply a little vaseline and sleep on it or wait an hour or 2 & its gone. its usually worse when my skin is dry otherwise its ok but if i cover cuts and scrapes with vaseline it doesnt hurt anymore but i can still feel the current. the highest current i can go to is 14 but i found it quite uncomfortable so i went down to 11-12 and was a lot more comfortable so i stayed there. i used to do treatment on my feet but it is winter here and i started getting busy so i left it behind and only do hands (id like to start doing feet again once i can get it to work for my hands as spring is approaching and school has finished). the only cream i use it coconut oil and i dont use it on the soles or palms of my feet. i take no oral medication but i take vitamin B,c,d as well as fish oil, an iron supplement and evening primrose oil & ginko biloba |
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| i am currently waiting on the plates as the machine doesnt seem to work for me so im using my homemade one but i feel like the current is just not as strong as it used to be so i hope eith the new plates that the treatment will continue working. do u suggest i start from initial therapy once i recieve the new plates? |
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| also i have not added any water filters just regular tap water yesterday i tried half tap half bottled |
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| and i cleaned the electrodes with vinegar and water for 2 hours |
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Yes, generally less water helps... and maybe you can solve the "water line problem" this way.
Please remember: The therapy should never hurt. If you can not go higher with the current, you can maybe treat longer, but only if necessary and only if your skin is in good condition.
The plates are not working well only if you can not reach the wished current settings. If this is not the case, that means that the electrodes should be ok.
If the sweat comes back, it's recommandable to treat every day until the sweat stops again.
Keep us updated on how it goes!
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ok ill wait until i get the plates and just start fron the beginning my hands are not fully sweating again but they do not feel as comfortable as before so hopefully i will get back to that, i find that the current feels weaker on my homemade machine so i will use the idromed again once i get plates and let uou know. ill also try using less water as i tend to use more then what was in the video you gave me.
for feet, i use more water as i find that ifi use less the sides on my feet still sweat, is that ok? |
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| also i use 18V from lantern batteries for my homemade machine i read somrwhere that thats about 10 mA for the machine but im not sure? (i use 18V for hands and 12V for feet as they are easier to treat and require much less current i found). i just want to make sure in using the right current on tthe machine as well |
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Hello,
It is hard to say how many Volts equal mA, because it also depends on other factors. In the end, the best thing is to adapt your body to the machine you are using. Find the settings with which you feel comfortable with.
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ok thankyou! i went up to 15mA at some point a couple months ago however it always hurt a little and caused burns so i think to be safe, I'll stay at 10-12mA  I'll let you know how treatment goes. Also how long does shipping take? it says that my plates are en route to Canada from germany for the last 2 days |
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18 Volts (compared to a Hidrex with 60 Volts max)
is 60/18=x (3,3)
and 30mA/x is the mA is equal to 9 Volts
or compared to Idromed 25mA/3,333 = 7,5 mA (max is 25) so you could save loads of time with a Idromed or Hidrex (Factor 3,3).
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According to the online Status the package has arrived in Canada. I'm sure that you will get it soon!
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ok thats great to hear ! ive been pulling my hair out with these treatments being off as im going for a 1 week vacation for the beach soon and wont be able to do it everyday (my maintanence schedule use to be once every 7-10 days)
Also i'm a bit confused with the calculations you gave me. I have the idromed so you suggest i do 7.5mA (round to 8mA) ? |
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The thing is that the Hidrex and the Idromed are the most powerful devices on the market. The Idromed is more powerful that your home made device, so you would probably be able to save time if you treat with the Idromed.
To find the "right" current setting , just increase the current until you feel a tingling sensation and then decrease it a little bit, so that you can treat comfortably.
Just try it out with the new electrodes and let us know how it goes.
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oh i didnt know that! i always worried that the idromed wouldnt give me enough current because i could feel it more with my homemade device but ok i still get red burning and stinging at 10mA so i will lower it a little bit and hopefully have some success again as it worked 100% with both the homemade and the machine before ! my plates have still not come in though and the post tracker hasnt notified me of any changes in 5days ( says its still en route from germany)
could it be possiblr that i overtreated with the idromed then? i was pushing myself to use 15mA because i was afraid of using too little current and i got these burns on my hand |
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Yes, with the pulsed current you normally don't feel the current so stongly, that's an advantage!
Maybe 15 mA was too much, just start again and only increase the current slowly, only if you feel comfortable with it and your skin is in good condition.
Concerning the shipping, I'm sure the package is on its way, it's just the online satus that has not been actualized.
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okay i just got a notification the package has arrive in canada its being processed so i hope to recieve it either today or by monday ! thanks for your help, I hope it will work again!
Also some of the links you sent i cant open because it requires special access. I didnt buy the machine from you but i bought the replacement plates from you is there a way i can get this priority support at some kind of discount? Itd be nice to have for when i run into problems like this |
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| i believe from ebay and the plates are from you guys |
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| ok ill buy it sometime in the near future as i just purchased new plate for 110€ and my machine is fairly new so i wasnt expecting to replace parts so soon |
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sorry i mustve misread it :-p
also i still have not recieved the electrodes |
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| also, ive been continuing treatment with my old plates (i dont want the sweat to completely return so a little coverage is better then nothing) and ive been doing about 10-15 minutes on each polarity at about 9-10mA. my hands are in pain a little and i try lowering the current but dont want it too low. My hands are really dry but they are sweating through the dryness if that makes any sense. can you give me any insight as to why this is occuring? |
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https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/dry-as-a-bone-t151.html
ive been looking through the forum looking for answers as to why my hands feel dry on the surface but are still sweating underneath and the above reply looks like whats been happening to me. after switching from homemade to the idromed i went from using a current on 18V to 10mA until i built up to 15mA my hands really stung with 15mA and i got burns on my wrists but then my hands became bone dry for days i continued maintenance every 7-8 days and it kept hurting but i dealt with it because i figured it was working. now i think i may have overdone it. i use 9-10 mA and may lower it until my hands adjjust. Also it says your skin must be in a certain condition to have good results. I am going to try moisturizing using aloe vera tonight instead of doing treatment and will try doing a treatment tomorow. Also i will try purchasing priority support by the end of the week (when i get paid) so that i can get any extra insight. is there anything else i can do for my hands to make surethat they return to the moisture levels they need to be at to ensure success? I had 100% success with my hands previously and I'd love to rreturn to that. Thanks in advance ! |
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If the therapy is painful, it's always necessary to lower the current, otherwise it's easy to overtreat.
If the skin's condition is not good enough, it is recommended to make a pause in the therapy.
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| do i have to wait until my hands start sweating again or could i just moisturize my skin until there are no cracks and try again? |
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ok i signed up for priority support and paid i dont know how to access it though!
Update: i took a 4-5 day break to allow my skin to heal and it actually dried out my hands really well (I also started moisturizing with aloe vera) but i have resumed treatment (I need to start treating my feet for vacation) and sweating has resumed alittle. |
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Dear user,
I've just set you up to the priority support so you can accessl now our priority boards that you can find here https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/only-for-our-customers-f5.html also a question is why you get burns on your skin. Is this because you do not use distant grids or towels? Also, if the upper skin is getting cracked it is a sign of Iontophoresis overtherapy, maybe you've done too much, can you tell me how long that you perform the treatment?
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| hi thanks so much for activating that. also i do use distance grids every time. the treatment i did to start was on my homemade machine. this was back in august. i used to do 10 minutes per polarity on hands (18V) and then the same for feet but at only 12V (earlier i tried doing both at 18V and found that my feet went bone dry whereas my hands were very sweaty so someone suggested less current for feet and it worked) this took about 7 days of initial treatment then 2-3 alternate days followed by a 3 day break when i stopped sweating. my maintenance schedule was once every 4--5 days for about 4 months. then i bought the idromed and started using that. i wasnt sure what setting to use so i started at 8ma and worked up to 15. it was very uncomfortable but i figured it was working ( i only used it for hands because it was winter and i didnt have timr to do hands and feet) my hands became very dry and red after therapy and i got some burns on my wrists. the maintenance time in between was about 8-10 days. in feburary i noticed that my hands started to sweat again and cleaning the plates wasnt working so i started using my homemade machine which miraculously fixed the problem. after about a month (march) it stopped working as well. i went back to the idromed ( 2 weeks ago ) and was using 10 mA but that still left burns so i lowered it to 9 and seem to be good with only minimal redness that subsides quickly. im also using 6mA for my feet and i do about 10 mins per polarity on my hands and 15 mins per polarity on my feet. my hands feel swollen and red sweating only on my fingertips and centre of my palm otherwise they are still dry but feel very uncomfortable. do u have any suggestions? |
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Hello,
Do you have a DC machine? Direct current?
This would explain why tthe therapy feels uncomfortable and you get the redness and Little burns. This also explains why it doesn't happen with your homemade machine. Though the homemade machine is also direct current,but it is not as powerful as the Idromed.
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| i have the idromed 5 PS. my hands are not sweating completely but they are uncomfortable and feel like they are going to start sweating and sweat in weird places like a spot on my palm or one or 2 fingertips. my whole palm is red and and dry but still sweating if that makes any sense. |
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What is a bit surprising for me is that you state that you have better success when you go down milliamperes, also redness is a sign of treating with too much current. So it seems that you're one of the rare cases who is getting problems when treating with higher current.
Because of the fact that you treat now with stainless steel electrodes, you could also have a problem with a contact allergy.
To exclude this, you can perform the treatments with original flat aluminium electrode plates, that should be in the package when you got it from your seller.
Here is once more a link on to how to clean electrodes properly.
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/cleaning-and-care-spare-parts-t51.html
Also a trial phase of leaving out the nutrition supplements would be a good idea as well.Sometimes, even Vitamin b complexes are counter-productive for some people.
Also, what I can't understand is that when you switch back to your home made Iontophoresis lantern battery, you state that you have a better success.
You say you have the option to regulate the voltage with it.
What would be really interesting is : how much current can your device actually deliver . The voltage that you gave me is only one part of the calculation.The other two parts are your body resistance and the current milliampere. With the current you can calculate your body resistance.
The professional Iontophoresis machine will try to keep the current stable, which means also that during the therapy,when body resistance varies - the device will increase either the voltage or the milliamperes according to your body resistance. With no regulation for example at 18 V and an estimated body resistance of 6000 Ohms in middle, this would lead to a current flow of 3 mA.
so to exclude that you have had only a really low current of the home-made device, because you said you haven't had redness with the home-made Iontophoresis machine, it may be a good idea to reduce the current to the point where there is no redness after the treatments. No matter how high the current is.
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| hi! my steel electrodes axtually just came in yesterday and i didnt have any allergies ( i treated only my feet as i gave my hands a rest) i treated at 6 ma and woke up this morning with very dry feet theyre sweating a little now but half of how they were. its my 4 th day of consecutive treatmment. i am going to try treating my hands with the new electrodes as well. as for the vitamins, i have been taking them since i started iontophoresis and they have never affected the treatment. i got redness with the homemade machine but it never burned like the idromed just a little red/ itchy for an hour |
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| i never had problems until my skin became really dry and instead of treating every 7-8 days I'd treat every 4-5 because i thought that would be better for maintenance so maybe i will try giving my hands a little break and moisturizing them and then try again. my hands are quite moisturized now ( i used cream last night) so i will try treatment again today at a low current (i can withstand about 8-9mA and get very minimal redness) |
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| i never had problems until my skin became really dry and instead of treating every 7-8 days I'd treat every 4-5 because i thought that would be better for maintenance so maybe i will try giving my hands a little break and moisturizing them and then try again. my hands are quite moisturized now ( i used cream last night) so i will try treatment again today at a low current (i can withstand about 8-9mA and get very minimal redness). Also from what i am reading, many people need a higher current for their feet then theirhands. I found it to be the complete opposite the first time i used iontophoresis i used the same current for both hands and feet and my feet dried out but my hands sweat even more. Someone suggested i lower the current for my feet and after the initial ttreatment, treat them only every other tie you treat your hands and this worked like a charm. |
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Just called you up ... to remind you: upper skin too dry - over therapy, the skin must get back to a good condition... keeps us updated!
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iontowomanG15
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:49 pm Post subject: Iontophoresis Success |
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| Hello! I haven't updated this in a long time because I've been crazy busy. The case turned out to be that I needed to give my fingers a break and I realized that I needed way less treatment time than I thought..my skin was super dry and I wasn't moisturizing because I feared beginning to sweat again. I usually only have to treat once every 3-4 weeks and it seems to do the trick otherwise I over treat (which I accidnetally did again this week :p) a question I have is that I tend to sweat a little for 2-3 days after treatment, is there anything I can do to reduce this? Its not the worst thing in the world but it's a little inconvenient, other than that its been great thanks so much Markus! |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Dear iontowoman, i remember you well since we have had you in our prio support system and also called oyu back for your questions
can you give us please the full story (with the former device you have had, your problems to get it to work (after doing too much - compared to the other machien you used) and so on
https://www.iontodevice.com/hyperhidrosis/success-board-f2.html
would be great...
sometimes users recognize a little more sweat after the treatments when having long pauses whilst a long maintanance phase with iontophoresis
it is maybe resulting though the fact that you in real do (every 3 weeks) a initial therapy - and initially the therapy causes often increased sweating.
You could maybe prevent this when treating more often (for exampel 1 time per week with 1/3 of the current) with lower (the same factor you increase the frequency of the treatments) currents ... so that you force a real maintenence shedule compared to your initial therapy you do now every 3 weeks.
If this makes sense to you you have to make up your mind...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ahah no problem! I'm sorry I didn't have a chance to post this sooner ! thanks again! |
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